Jorge Nieto: “When Peruvian society is desperate, it will ask for everyone to leave and new general elections”

February 5, 2022

Jorge Nieto proposed a way out of the political crisis. Photo: Andean

This week, the president peter castle he experienced a new political crisis within his government. Last Tuesday, Prime Minister Mirtha Vásquez resigned in charge due to discrepancies in the promotion process within the police force, which also caused the departure of the Minister of the Interior, Avelino Guillen. In replacement of the also ex-legislator of the Broad Front, was chosen Hector Valer, who has starred in a rosary of complaints of family violence. The current parliamentarian of Democratic Peru it did not last and he resigned as head of the Cabinet after 72 hours.

In the midst of the polarized climate, the Government and Congress face each other again in the midst of the pandemic and the need for economic reactivation. Infobae interviewed Jorge Nieto Montesinos, former Minister of Defense and Culture during the government of Pedro Pablo Kuczynski, who explains and presents a proposal to get out of the crisis.

—Have these six months of Castillo’s government continued the crisis of the five-year period 2016-2021?

-When there was the election process, I said very clearly that we had to choose a center option different from the extremisms of the right and the left. Because if we chose one of these, what we were doing was the continuation of the confrontation. Already the result of the first round marked us that we were going to continue on that path. So it is not an inexplicable situation. The majority of the electorate chose confrontation by supporting the most extreme options in national politics.

—So you preferred to continue because of the instability?

—I don’t know if it was desired, but in practice with the votes Mr. Castillo and Mrs. Fujimori were elected. Both are the extremist specters of national politics.

-What message did the president give when replacing Mirtha Vásquez with Héctor Valer?

—I don’t know what message he wants to give, but what we have seen is irresponsibility, thoughtlessness and poor ability to lead the country. Each action of President Castillo ratifies that he is not in a position to carry forward the path of Peru.

“Do you think I should resign?”

“It’s a possibility because we have a problem. We have a person in the Government Palace who has confessed his inability to govern. He has said that he is not ready and we see that he confirms it every day. I have proposed a solution.

-Which one?

—A cabinet government. This is an explicit, public and open agreement on the issues on the political agenda that is needed in Peru and is proposed as the basis of a government parliamentary coalition. And with the support of those who make it up, the so-called cabinet government was formed to limit the power of the president.

“And who should lead this cabinet?”

Well, it depends on the coalition. First we must build it. Without her, nothing is possible. Now, today there is a coalition that is de facto and with a clandestine agenda because they cannot openly confess it. That agenda is the sum of the interests of the microbus drivers, the illegal miners and the teachers who do not obey the law. In addition, the owners of the duck brand universities that defraud families and have just approved a law that weakens Sunedu by putting the regulated as the regulators. That is working very well in Congress. What I am saying is that there must be a clear and explicit alliance with an agenda that must incorporate issues such as health, education, security and quality for Peruvians. And with a prime minister proposing a royal cabinet. However, that is very complicated because the political actors are far below the level that we expect. It’s the only way out I see. The other possibility is when society is desperate, it will ask for everyone to leave and new general elections.

– Has the government taken a turn from the left to the right?

—I believe that political categories do not help to understand what is really happening in the country. If you tell me that Héctor Valer is a right-wing person, I will tell you that he was currently obeying Mr. Bermejo, who dictates the political line to get ahead. We have gone from Cerrón to Bermejo. I don’t see a left-right discussion, I think that what we should see here is these subordinate interests that have been able to form an alliance and have been placed around President Castillo.

-During the last months there was talk about the vacancy, but now the proposal of a suspension of the presidential position has appeared. What appreciation do you have about this idea?

—It is that we are in the framework of how we get out of the problem. If the vacancy is realized, the suspension proposal that comes from the Purple Party and the request for resignation are ways to get out of the problem that we have for a person in the Government Palace who has clearly confessed his incompetence and ignorance for the position. Everything you’ve told me are variants. I believe that the most reasonable way to continue with democracy is a cabinet government. If the president does not take action, we are going to reach the vacancy scenarios or the formula launched by the Purple Party to solve the problem we have.

—The political scientist Martín Tanaka told me in an interview that Castillo’s main problem was his lack of definition. Do you match this look?

—I believe that the president does know very well what he wants, but he cannot admit it. So, you need the cloak of the night and secrecy to do what is against the law. It is no coincidence that all the lobbies of his management end up in the Palace. That the Government has no political course, that is very clear. But that the president does not know what to do, it seems to me that this is not the case. He does know what to do. Look, in the last few days four important state officials have been fired. All of them have to do with the contracts that were made to refine these public tenders. The person who did the investigation of the contract of the Ministry of Transport, whose documentation was thrown back that tender for the Tarata Bridge, has been fired. The same thing happened in Petroperú with the person who pushed back the direct bidding for the biodiesel contract, who was also fired. In Transport and Telecommunications, the deputy minister and the director of Pronatel, who did the right thing to use the fiber optic backbone, have been fired. And at the same time, on the other hand, we observe that they summon people with problems on their resumes and have difficulties with the law. So, the bad guys get in and the good guys get out. What does that indicate? That the purpose is well defined: so many wrong decisions are not chance or mistakes. They already configure a form of operation that, for me, is the clandestine agenda. These people who are appointed to key positions in the administration, despite their disabilities, are removing all the purchasing managers, which I see as very suspicious.

—Castillo contributes to your presidential isolation?

“The president is obviously isolating himself. He has made a mathematical calculation: he needs 44 votes in Congress so that the vacancy does not proceed. And I think that with the cabinet Valer tried to contribute to this purpose.

—Peru Libre has said that it will not support the cabinet.

—That’s the news. If Peru Libre does not grant confidence, the president will not get the 44 votes he needs to shield himself from the vacancy and could be subjected to this process. I look at the cabinet like an unborn. I see that this act is part of the apprenticeship pointed out by the president.

-You said that this regime is not having the necessary caution or care not to go from crisis to crisis. Does this context displace the discussion about major reforms that must be carried out within the State?

—But, at the same time, the clandestine agenda advances. It is no longer just that they are careless and have poor political management, it also advances their clandestine interests. They have already approved a law that liquidates Sunedu at a time when the knowledge economy is advancing in the world. Therefore, what the congressmen agree is to give young Peruvians a backward place.

—Protests are already announced in Lima. What role will the street have? Will there be a social phenomenon like what happened in November 2020?

—I think that the boys, boys and girls, have to protest. It seems very good to me that they enter political participation defending what is fundamental: their future.


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